Unless you’ve been living in self-imposed social media exile for the past six months, there is a high probability you’ve witnessed the choreography of Simon Donnellon. Perhaps via the flirty, candy-hued video for PinkPantheress and Zara Larsson’s ultra-viral “Stateside (Remix),” or maybe in Alyssa Liu’s triumphant 2026 Winter Olympics performance set to the same song, which saw some of Donnellon’s catchiest moves repurposed for the ice. Over the past few years, the London-based choreographer and movement director has made a niche for himself, coaching a starry roster of alt-pop princesses to move unencumbered across stage, screen, and beyond. Speaking to his friend, writer and pop devotee Harald Smart, Donnellon shares his origin story and offers a window into the ‘Pop Girl Bootcamp’ that has helped more than one diva find her groove.

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HARALD SMART: Simon, hi!

SIMON DONNELLON: Harald, hi, how are you? 

SMART: I’m good! Excited to be talking to you. There’s so much to talk about. I wanted to ask how you got started in this field, your origin story.

DONNELLON: What’s pertinent to my job now is that I was a dancer, mostly with contemporary companies, and I graduated when it was kind of in vogue for contemporary dance to be across music projects. So I was doing music videos, dancing in them, and then I got the opportunity to choreograph one for Self Esteem. Then, I started moving a bit more into artist coaching. Back then, it wasn’t such a big thing. Now, I’d say 90% of the musicians you see performing live will have had some level of movement direction or performance coaching. 

SMART: So, what’s the distinction for you between movement direction and choreography? 

DONNELLON: With choreography, I’m creating movement steps that you will learn and repeat. Direction is much more about giving people stimuli and guiding them through stuff. That could be a character-based stimulus or asking, “What color is this song?” or “What does this song smell like?” So they can start to build a world around the song to inhabit, which would hopefully give them more room to play on stage. For me personally, my job is more about setting artists up with the tools to be able to play freely on stage with a level of comfortability.  

SMART: You worked with Romy [Madley Croft] in that capacity, right? How did that process start?

DONNELLON: Yes. Romy was super interesting because I’m a huge fan of The XX. So when that opportunity came up, I was freaking out. Her wife’s a really successful photographer and director. I’d been shooting with her and she was like, “Oh, my wife is a musician and she’s doing a solo project [2023’s Mid Air] for the first time.” 

SMART:  Did you know it was Romy at the time? 

DONNELLON: I didn’t know it was Romy.

SMART: That’s so funny. 

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DONNELLON: So, when we started working together, her refrain was, “I just want to feel more confident in moving on stage.” We would get in the dance studio and I’d set up a fake DJ deck with some ballet bars and a table top across them. At first, it was really about diving into rhythm and going back to basics. Giving Romy the tools to start to move a bit freer. I think with a lot of artists, it’s about giving them permission. Because Romy can move, but I think it was just trying to give her a new movement language to use. 

SMART: It must be amazing to watch over a period of time, watching someone blossom. 

DONNELLON: Totally. And I think some people would look at one of her shows and be like, “Oh, what is the movement direction there?” because she’s just moving freely. But actually, from where she began, now she’s running around the stage at Glastonbury. In the new XX show that just debuted at Coachella, she’s singing “Enjoy Your Life” out on the runway, which is something I think she didn’t think she was capable of. She’s always been capable of it! 

SMART: That’s quite beautiful. 

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DONNELLON: I think every person, no matter whether they’re a pop star or not, deserves the space to find what it is they do free from intense scrutiny. No one’s doing the best thing they’ve ever done straight out of the gate. I mean, some people I work with are pretty incredible straight out of the gate… PinkPantheress, for example. The music and the tone of what she’s making is so unique. 

SMART: 100%. So let’s get into that. Because I feel like every day I see a fan edit or a meme or something related to PinkPantheress and her stage presence transformation. What kind of phase she was in when you started working together and how has that relationship evolved?

DONNELLON: At the very beginning, before Fancy That, we did the videos for “Picture of My Mind” and “Capable of Love,” which were more narrative.

SMART: “Capable of Love” is incredible. 

DONNELLON: I remember when I first heard that song, I kind of couldn’t believe that she’d made something that epic.

SMART: Yeah, it’s like her version of a power ballad.

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DONNELLON: Literally. And so we’d started working together a little bit sporadically and we just got on really well. From that point on, each project had a larger choreography component, especially coming back for Fancy That. I think she’d had a bit of time off and she came back and the music was so good and she was like, “I’m ready to step into it. ” Also, she can groove. She’s got a great sense of rhythm. But I feel like at Glastonbury [2025], she switched something on on show day and we were all like, “Whoa.” That was a real moment of stepping into performance in a way that she hasn’t before. I think she’s come back to this new era and attacked it with such…

SMART: Gusto?

DONNELLON: I was trying to find a synonym for gusto!

SMART: Just say it!

DONNELLON: Gusto! Like, she wants to be eating it up on stage. She wants to be involved in everything. She’s learned so quickly and I can’t take all the credit on that. I definitely got her to a certain point, but she’s also worked with super established female choreographers as well—Charissa Kroeger, Danielle Polanco, Luam, who did the 2025 US/Australia tour. And I think having that time with them, they’ve given her this new confidence. 

SMART: It sounds like a really strong team.

DONNELLON: Yeah, it’s important to Pink that there are women across choreography. Charissa is amazing. We were able to riff off each other and find this newer thing for Coachella, which is a really big, super ambitious show.

SMART: It was so impressive, the number of elements, the storytelling. 

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DONNELLON: Totally. And it’s one of those shows that is a statement of intent because she straddles all these different things. She’s the pop girl, but she’s also making this quite alt music.

SMART: It’s also so British as well!

DONNELLON: A vast majority of the team working on the show are actually British. I think that’s been a big thing for finding the nuance and the comedy and all these bits that feel “Big Pop Show,” but also still feel very her. I think one of the other big tasks for this show was finding newness in the movement language. 

SMART: How do you approach that?

DONNELLON: For me, it’s looking at other artists that sit within the same world and what they are doing. Not to copy, but thinking about what it is they’re doing that is resonating. For example, everyone thinks of Gaga like, “Put your paws up.” But Gaga also sits in this ticking world; it’s her specific way of moving. The task for the show was trying to find something that feels very unique to PinkPantheress. What are the Pink-isms? 

SMART: And what would you say those are?

DONNELLON: Always that insane hair flip. She’s in the hips, and she’s really good at finding a mix of fluidity and staccato in the upper body. It’s finding those moments, but also what is the music saying? We still want it to feel a bit punk with a tiny injection of silliness and camp. So, it’s mixing all those things together. 

SMART: What’s been your favorite song of Pink’s to choreograph? 

DONNELLON: Ooh, I mean, I love “Tonight.” For me, it has a special place. It was the first track for her that we really choreographed. 

SMART: I remember that video dropping and everyone being like, “Oh, she’s really doing the thing.” Backing dancers, the whole nine yards. 

DONNELLON: Exactly! So seeing that, editing that into the [Coachella] show and making it bigger and more exciting, that’s been really amazing. And honestly, “Stateside.”

SMART: Oh, we’re getting to her! Tell me about your involvement with that particular song and your response to where it went. 

DONNELLON: My god, crazy. With Pink, the video scheduling is always really reactive. The energy is like, “Okay, the song’s doing well, the fans want something, let’s give their fans what they want.” I had heard someone whisper that they were thinking about a video with Zara, and I was like, “Oh my god.” Then [director] Charlotte Rutherford—who I’ve worked with a lot in tandem with PinkPantheress—called me and was like, “Okay, this is the concept.” It all came together really quickly. There was essentially one day between Pink and Zara’s schedules in which they could shoot it, and the shoot definitely felt really gag on the day. Two pop stars on the precipice of stardom. They’re both doing so unbelievably well. 

SMART: And on their own terms, as well.

DONNELLON: Absolutely, I think it was so intelligent to put both of their worlds in the video and smash them together. It was so indicative of the branding power of both campaigns. Then, to choreograph something that felt really fun and kitsch. The main reference was always “Fergalicious.” 

SMART: Oh my god, I said this. The second I saw it I was like, “This is Gen-Z ‘Fergalicious.’”

DONNELLON: Yes! Even down to how it was shot because a lot of the time things are shot on Steadicam, roaming around. But Charlotte was like, “No, I want straight-on choreo.” 

SMART: Old school. 

DONNELLON: Obviously the song was having a moment, but I don’t think anyone really expected how big it was going to go. 

SMART: How did you approach the choreo? 

DONNELLON: Sometimes Pink is a fun challenge. Often my contemporary [dance] background can be really useful to avoid it leaning too far into stereotypical pop. On Stateside, my associate choreographer, Angelica Wolańska, was super helpful. It’s really helpful to ideate with a female choreographer. The work feels more rounded. With the male dancers, we wanted to stay in this really masc place but, like, a bit camp.

SMART: Metrosexual!

DONNELLON: Yes! Charlotte sent me this reference from a Madness video where they’re walking in a particular way. At first I was like, “Whoa, that’s such an off-piste ref.” But then, in the context, those off-piste moments really work. And, obviously, all the boys falling and the room shaking when Zara hits her run—

SMART: That’s so good.  

DONNELLON: But Pink is really experienced with the music video thing now. She knows her angles. She can step on set and just own it. Also, her and Zara being together, they both lifted each other up so much. It was really nice to watch. Zara had toured the night before in Stockholm, flown in that morning. We’d sent her the choreo and we ran it through with her twice and she was like, “Got it.” Just real star energy. The whole thing was such a great experience. 

SMART: It’s heartening to hear that the mutual support is so strong and genuine. 

DONNELLON: Oh my god, totally. I think we’re in an era of female stars genuinely supporting each other.

SMART: I think another key thing is they’re being cute and sexy, but it’s not two women together who are just being sexual for the male gaze. It’s for the girls who want to get cute and look cute and hang out with their friends…And the gays, of course! 

DONNELLON: Very much so.

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SMART: What’s your favorite choreo moment from the video?

DONNELLON: I love the big tableau with Pink sitting on the guys’ shoulders and Zara laying on the floor. I was thinking about Renaissance paintings…and Gentleman Prefer Blondes!

SMART: Yes! Those moments are incredible. How did it feel to see Alyssa Liu perform parts of that choreography on the ice at the Winter Olympics?

DONNELLON: Crazy, crazy, crazy. To see something you’ve done, my little pop choreo, being performed on a stage like that even for a second…Working in this profession, you’re around a lot of famous people at work. There’s certain people that I’m starstruck by for sure, but I think with most people you have a level of professionalism, like, that’s just another person. But something about that moment was like, “Wow, okay. This is kind of crazy.” 

SMART: I feel like as a choreographer or a movement director, that must be the pinnacle.

DONNELLON: Oh, it’s gag

SMART: Where do you go from there? 

DONNELLON: I’m quite excited to get back to some fashion stuff, and then this year’s festival season. And then it’s thinking about other artists on my dream board…I would die to do Rosalía!  

 

M.O.T.H.E.R. – the new collaborative band helmed by Robbie Furze of The Big Pink and currently featuring Jamie T and Jamie Hince of The Kills – have given their first proper interview, talking to NME about the emotional origins of the project, their aim to be “the guitar version of N.E.R.D.”, and their hit-list of future collaborators.

Revealing the new project at the end of May alongside the blistering anthemics of debut single ‘My Love’, Furze shared that the seeds of M.O.T.H.E.R. had come from losing his own parent after a prolonged illness. “My mum got sick about five years ago and was ill for about four years before she died,” he told NME.

“In that period I had a daughter, which was this real juxtaposition of death and birth. My mates – Jamie T and Jamie Hince – came together for me, and then sadly Jamie [Hince] lost his dad too,” Furze went on, sitting in a West London pub alongside Hince.

Hince continued: “I lost my dad four days after Robbie [lost his mum], and it felt like, if ever there was a calling, it was that. But it didn’t all come out of that doom and gloom. I hate mentioning COVID but everyone had so much time on their hands and there was this open creativity back then. I was working on music with Jamie T, sending each other stuff, and the idea for the three of us to do something together came out of that. It felt nice, like we were buying into this camaraderie, and this gang.”

The three musicians have previous credits together, with the two Jamies also writing on The Big Pink’s most recent album, 2022’s ‘The Love That’s Ours’. Fully collaborating on M.O.T.H.E.R., Furze joked, was like “the clash of three egos”. “Everyone wants to work with each other because you like what each other does, and so it’s not quite imposter syndrome but you have to live up to [that idea] and jump in and be a character,” Hince continued. “You can’t be too humble about it.”

Recording between Hince’s studio in LA and Furze’s studio in London’s Bethnal Green, the current trio have also dropped their self-titled debut EP featuring three further tracks: ‘Real Human’, ‘Traitor’, and ‘Surrender’. The ethos of the band, meanwhile, is for the line-up to shift with each release, bringing in familiar faces from other groups and working with whoever might be available at the time.

“We did a little bit [of recording] with Jenny [Lee Lindberg, bassist] from Warpaint who I love; I really want to get something solid down with her,” revealed Hince, while Furze suggested that names including Zach Hill of industrial hip-hop trio Death Grips, and electronic producer Skream have all been in the mix for future iterations of the band.

“We ran into Zach and he seemed into it but then he started ghosting me,” he noted. “Whether or not he decides to text me back, it would be wonderful to have that kind of thing. Jamie Hince, Skream, Rhys Webb from The Horrors [who played on their recent radio session], and Zach – if I saw that, I’d wanna hear what that nonsense sounds like!”

Check out the rest of the interview with Furze and Hince below, as they discuss their endearing bromance, their admiration for Jamie T, and why the band are unlikely to ever make an album.

NME: Hello Robbie and Jamie! You must have been kicking about at a lot of ‘00s parties, how far does your friendship go back?

Robbie Furze: “Me and Jamie T started becoming friends on the circuit of festivals when the first Big Pink record came out in 2009. Then me and Jamie Hince met at Corona Capital in Mexico in 2012.”

Jamie Hince: “He had a reputation – I think we all had reputations… I remember his wife giving me these dried insect snacks and I didn’t eat them because I thought he might have laced them with something…”

Furze: “Every band playing Corona Capital was staying in this massive hotel, so it was just chaos.”

Hince: “It was at the height of ego. Everyone had bodyguards. Bands were trying to outdo other bands. Like, The Black Keys – you’re two guys from Ohio, you don’t need armed bodyguards…”

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Robbie Furze with The Big Pink, 2022. Credit: Ashley Rommelrath.

Where does Jamie T fit into all this?

Hince: “Our orbits crossed quite a bit. I remember seeing him at some tiny little pub when he was probably about 19, and I love how it’s come full circle. My heart sinks a little bit when I see Jamie T working because I know I’m nowhere near [as good as] that. I have to chip away at things and stand back and then dive in again to get the feeling, whereas he’s just got the feeling from the start.”

Furze: “He’s pretty incredible. The song ‘Traitor’ on the EP was supposed to be for my vocal, and he was almost getting pissed off that we couldn’t get the verses right. He was just like, ‘I’ll sort it out’, goes up to the mic, does one take and it’s done. See you later. He’s that kind of guy.”

Do you have to leave your ego at the door in those situations?

Hince: “I did this amazing beat for ‘Traitor’ that I loved, and I sent it to Jamie T and got back a text saying: ‘One pound fish’. Fuck! I mean talk about leaving your ego at the door… I know what he was saying, he thought it was a bit ‘cor blimey’ waltz. But some of the shit he ends up doing, it’s totally ‘cor blimey one pound fish’!”

Furze: “But whatever works for the track works, and everyone has to be happy with it. You push each other without really knowing it.”

How did you envision the project?

Hince: “These things just come together. It sounds cheesy, but I wanted it to be the guitar version of N.E.R.D. – a production team of people that love each other.”

Furze: “We’ve got songs in the pipeline with other artists already, and it makes it like an N.E.R.D. or Unkle or Massive Attack thing. Being collaborative makes me more excited.”

Hince: “It feels like that time has gone where albums really last. Records seem to come and go quite quickly now. So I’ve shifted my enthusiasm because I think the attention span has gone. You spend so much time making records and so little time getting any reward.”

Furze: “I’d like to do standalone singles, or another EP of four or five tracks as a batch. I wouldn’t wanna go further than that.”

None of your individual bands and projects sound that alike – where do you think your tastes align?

Hince: “There’s something unspoken that we all seem to agree on which is this epic-ness. There’s a line in one of the songs that talks about ‘the last of the hooligans‘ and that seemed to be the feeling behind it all. If there’s a similarity with what everyone wanted, it was maybe just being a bit romantic and epic.”

Jamie Hince and Alison Mosshart of the band The Kills perform
Jamie Hince and Alison Mosshart of the band The Kills perform live. CREDIT: Harmony Gerber/Getty Images

Why do you think you were drawn to that?

Hince: “I don’t know, maybe we’re just lonely men?”

Furze: “Beaten down but being pulled up by hope…”

Hince: “We’ve all been bashing around, making all this noise and spending so much time doing it; I think it gives you that feeling. There’s something tiny and irrelevant about what you do but something life and death about what you do too, and I think the cocktail of that makes it… well, the last of the hooligans.”

Tell us a bit about ‘My Love’ – the first proper single.

Furze: “It’s one of the most basic songs. It’s a love song about hope, but it just has such an incredible energy to it with its simplicity. I’m not a massive Beatles fan but it has this relatable energy [like their early music]. ‘I wanna hold your hand’ – you don’t get more basic than that, in a great way. I think simplicity is power. Sometimes less is more, and if you mean it you can get away with it.”

Are there going to be live shows?

Furze: “Definitely. We’re playing a bit of catch up because we didn’t think ‘My Love’ would get the reaction it has, but we’re desperate to get out and do gigs.”

Hince: “In the spirit of the collaborative project, I’m really liking the idea of having different people in different countries playing with us; having a different vibe each time.”

Furze: “It would be really exciting to see different characters that you know from different bands. For the radio session [with Steve Lamacq on BBC 6 Music] we had Rhys Webb from The Horrors on bass, and I love that idea.”

Jamie T performing at Glastonbury 2022, photo by Eva Pentel
Jamie T performing at Glastonbury 2022. Credit: Eva Pentel for NME

You’re obviously very close – what are your favourite memories of this charming bromance?

Furze: “Jamie’s probably my best friend in the world and we’ve been through a lot together. In 2015 we both uprooted and went out to LA together, I went out there for about five years and he stayed, so we were pretty inseparable. It got to a point where it was breakfast, lunch and dinner together.”

Hince: “We just became one person. People would confuse us even though we don’t look the same. He had an ex-girlfriend who he went to say hello to and she said, ‘Hello Jamie’. We just started having the same vibe. The same embarrassing energy. We’ve chilled out a bit recently but when I was in LA and Robbie was in London we’d speak to each other for four hours a day. I was getting complaints from his wife.”

The ‘M.O.T.H.E.R. EP’ is out now.

The Big Pink returned with their third studio album, ‘The Love That’s Ours’, in 2022. It marked their first full-length effort in over 10 years. T and Hince worked on that LP, too, co-writing the single ‘Love Spins On Its Axis’.

The Kills released their sixth and latest record, ‘God Games’, in 2023.

Jamie T, meanwhile, made a comeback with ‘The Theory Of Whatever’ the previous year. He recently joined forces with Fred Again.. on the track ‘Lights Burn Dimmer’, and performed with The Maccabees at their big London reunion gig last summer.

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