They've been hailed as Best British Newcomers by Kerrang! They're famous fans include Fearne Cotton, Zane Lowe, and Nick Grimshaw (to name but a few), and they've been on the lips and in the ears of Radio 1 listeners for weeks, so what is it about While She Sleeps that has everyone talking? Music News caught up with two fifths of Britain's hottest metal band to talk about their new album, and why they're taking the world by storm.

Music News: How are you guys doing today?

While She Sleeps: We’re very good, but a little bit tired, we had to get up at half five, then we got stuck in traffic coming from Sheffield – as soon as we hit London we had four miles to go, but there was so much traffic.

MN: How long have you guys been together?

WSS: As a couple? [laughs] While She Sleeps have been together six years. Some of us were in the same group before, but as a different band, but then again we’ve been in and out of bands for ten years.

MN: And you’ve suddenly blown up now? How’s that?

WSS: Well it wasn’t sudden for us, we were playing locally for about four years, it’s taken a while, but we stuck at it, and now we are where we are.

MN: Has your sudden (or not sudden) popularity been overwhelming?

WSS: It’s been really overwhelming, but we’re just taking it in our stride. There’s so much going off, you just do one thing at a time, every week is full and different, you’re doing this then you’re doing that, and by the time you’ve finished and gotten use to it, there’s something else.

MN: Is this the kind of stardom you were aiming for when the band got together?

WSS: We weren’t really aiming for anything. Obviously you want to be successful and you’re like ‘Oh yeah I want to be in a big band’, but you don’t really expect things to go off quite the way I have – nobody really expects it, it just kind of happens. It’s been a steady process for about two years and then we got signed by Sony, which was incredible, but we’re just taking it all in right now.

MN: How have your live shows changed from before you blew up to now?

WSS: We don’t play to ten people anymore [laughs]. Mostly we just get the opportunity to play to more people, because we get to go on tour with bigger bands. For example, a couple of years ago we did a headline tour, and played to about 20 people a night, then a year later when we’d just got signed to Sony, we were selling out 400 capacity rooms, which was really cool. You just get better and you learn things whilst you’re on tour, and everything just gets better – it’s amazing.

MN: Kerrang! has called you the best new British band, that’s a big accolade to live up to, how do you feel about that?

WSS: I think we’ll live up to it, it feels like the right time for us. We’ve always wanted this, and we’re going to give it our best shot. The award is something that we really wanted last year, but we didn’t get it, so to get it this year is great, and to be able to go to the awards and then win, that was great, afterwards we got drunk.

MN: Tell us about your takeover of Radio 1, it’s been epic!

WSS: It’s been amazing! It’s pretty much played on all of the shows except Chris Moyles. Fearne Cotton played us at 11AM, and we get repped all the time, it's absolute gold. Scott Mills has played us; and Nick Grimshaw as well. It’s weird to hear that kind of heavy music on at the time of the day, but it’s time for a change, and it’s time to create some diversity. There have been a lot of split opinions in the country, but we like that, we get a buzz off of it. People phone in and say that they hate it and that it sounds like a cat screaming, but then other people are like ‘I haven’t heard this band before, this is really cool’.

MN: Do you think having your music played on such a commercial station and so early will help expand your fan base?

WSS: Definitely! There will be people driving to work, or people that won’t admit to liking such heavy music, but when they’re on their own they rock out in the car. It’ll gain us more fans, because at least one of the shows, Fearne Cotton’s I think, has about 4million viewers, so we’d hope that at least one person out of that 4million will become a fan – if they don’t then we’re probably doing a pretty bad job.

MN: So how do you think you’re different and how will you convert people they don’t like metal?

WSS: I don’t think we’re a typical metal band, yeah it is screaming, but we’ve got good melodies as well. A lot of people get angry, everyone does, and listening to our music gets that out. Even if you forget the screaming, I think there’s something in our music for everyone, there’s different parts of the album, or the song, with some bits being melodic, some bits being heavy, so there’s something for everyone.

MN: There’s a lot of screaming, how do you keep your voices in tact?

WSS: Both our singers have lots of exercises they do backstage to warm up; it’s a little annoying actually. They also have lots of honey and tea, so that helps. Singing like that is such a hard thing to do, it’s an art and it takes a lot of work, but they’ve been doing it for years, so they’re use to it, but it’s definitely a skill. We kind of do want people to listen a bit more though, and know that it’s an art and it’s a skill and it’s not just screaming, it’s about being passionate, it’s just louder than singing.

MN: Can you tell us a bit about it your debut album This Is The Six?

WSS: Writing the album was great, but it was quite new to us, we’d never been in such a great studio before. Our guitarist would usually write the riffs and then bring them to us. We recorded all the instruments separately, but it was a great experience, because we’d never been in a proper music studio before, we’d always just recorded everything ourselves – it was a crazy experience, but it was the best thing ever!

MN: What’s your favourite song from the album?

WSS: It’s hard to say, we like all of them, we’re constantly listening to it, making sure it still sounds alright, but the more you listen to it, the more your favourite song changes. Dead Behind The Eyes is a favourite, but also Our Courage, Our Cancer, but we like them all.

MN: What’s been your favourite part of this process so far? So much has happened this year, has anything been a standout moment for you?

WSS: This year, the Kerrang! Awards was amazing and winning was great, then getting pissed, but then we had Download festival the next day, and that was the biggest crowd we’ve ever played to. We had a great slot, which was around 6PM in the evening, so it was absolutely amazing, one of the best shows we’ve ever played. I think we finished that and we were all on a total high – so yeah, probably Download Festival.

MN: So what’s the next step?

WSS: There isn’t really a plan, we’re just going to keep doing what we’re doing, and hoping that more people like it. We just want to play in bigger places, hopefully write a new album after this one, and just keep going – maybe take over the world [laughs]. We’d love to play in more countries too. We’ve only played in the UK, Europe, Scandinavia and Australia, so going to more places around the world would be great.

MN: What would you want to be your next big career achievement?

WSS: Maybe Warp Tour, we’d love to do that next year. If we achieved Warp Tour, that would be the best thing – it’s a few months worth of festivals in America, so it would be amazing – eventually we want to start playing arenas as well. It’s a long way away, it might not be in the near future, but we’d love to do that eventually.

While She Sleeps' debut album This Is The Six is out August 13th
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Unless you’ve been living in self-imposed social media exile for the past six months, there is a high probability you’ve witnessed the choreography of Simon Donnellon. Perhaps via the flirty, candy-hued video for PinkPantheress and Zara Larsson’s ultra-viral “Stateside (Remix),” or maybe in Alyssa Liu’s triumphant 2026 Winter Olympics performance set to the same song, which saw some of Donnellon’s catchiest moves repurposed for the ice. Over the past few years, the London-based choreographer and movement director has made a niche for himself, coaching a starry roster of alt-pop princesses to move unencumbered across stage, screen, and beyond. Speaking to his friend, writer and pop devotee Harald Smart, Donnellon shares his origin story and offers a window into the ‘Pop Girl Bootcamp’ that has helped more than one diva find her groove.

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HARALD SMART: Simon, hi!

SIMON DONNELLON: Harald, hi, how are you? 

SMART: I’m good! Excited to be talking to you. There’s so much to talk about. I wanted to ask how you got started in this field, your origin story.

DONNELLON: What’s pertinent to my job now is that I was a dancer, mostly with contemporary companies, and I graduated when it was kind of in vogue for contemporary dance to be across music projects. So I was doing music videos, dancing in them, and then I got the opportunity to choreograph one for Self Esteem. Then, I started moving a bit more into artist coaching. Back then, it wasn’t such a big thing. Now, I’d say 90% of the musicians you see performing live will have had some level of movement direction or performance coaching. 

SMART: So, what’s the distinction for you between movement direction and choreography? 

DONNELLON: With choreography, I’m creating movement steps that you will learn and repeat. Direction is much more about giving people stimuli and guiding them through stuff. That could be a character-based stimulus or asking, “What color is this song?” or “What does this song smell like?” So they can start to build a world around the song to inhabit, which would hopefully give them more room to play on stage. For me personally, my job is more about setting artists up with the tools to be able to play freely on stage with a level of comfortability.  

SMART: You worked with Romy [Madley Croft] in that capacity, right? How did that process start?

DONNELLON: Yes. Romy was super interesting because I’m a huge fan of The XX. So when that opportunity came up, I was freaking out. Her wife’s a really successful photographer and director. I’d been shooting with her and she was like, “Oh, my wife is a musician and she’s doing a solo project [2023’s Mid Air] for the first time.” 

SMART:  Did you know it was Romy at the time? 

DONNELLON: I didn’t know it was Romy.

SMART: That’s so funny. 

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DONNELLON: So, when we started working together, her refrain was, “I just want to feel more confident in moving on stage.” We would get in the dance studio and I’d set up a fake DJ deck with some ballet bars and a table top across them. At first, it was really about diving into rhythm and going back to basics. Giving Romy the tools to start to move a bit freer. I think with a lot of artists, it’s about giving them permission. Because Romy can move, but I think it was just trying to give her a new movement language to use. 

SMART: It must be amazing to watch over a period of time, watching someone blossom. 

DONNELLON: Totally. And I think some people would look at one of her shows and be like, “Oh, what is the movement direction there?” because she’s just moving freely. But actually, from where she began, now she’s running around the stage at Glastonbury. In the new XX show that just debuted at Coachella, she’s singing “Enjoy Your Life” out on the runway, which is something I think she didn’t think she was capable of. She’s always been capable of it! 

SMART: That’s quite beautiful. 

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DONNELLON: I think every person, no matter whether they’re a pop star or not, deserves the space to find what it is they do free from intense scrutiny. No one’s doing the best thing they’ve ever done straight out of the gate. I mean, some people I work with are pretty incredible straight out of the gate… PinkPantheress, for example. The music and the tone of what she’s making is so unique. 

SMART: 100%. So let’s get into that. Because I feel like every day I see a fan edit or a meme or something related to PinkPantheress and her stage presence transformation. What kind of phase she was in when you started working together and how has that relationship evolved?

DONNELLON: At the very beginning, before Fancy That, we did the videos for “Picture of My Mind” and “Capable of Love,” which were more narrative.

SMART: “Capable of Love” is incredible. 

DONNELLON: I remember when I first heard that song, I kind of couldn’t believe that she’d made something that epic.

SMART: Yeah, it’s like her version of a power ballad.

Simon Donnellon

DONNELLON: Literally. And so we’d started working together a little bit sporadically and we just got on really well. From that point on, each project had a larger choreography component, especially coming back for Fancy That. I think she’d had a bit of time off and she came back and the music was so good and she was like, “I’m ready to step into it. ” Also, she can groove. She’s got a great sense of rhythm. But I feel like at Glastonbury [2025], she switched something on on show day and we were all like, “Whoa.” That was a real moment of stepping into performance in a way that she hasn’t before. I think she’s come back to this new era and attacked it with such…

SMART: Gusto?

DONNELLON: I was trying to find a synonym for gusto!

SMART: Just say it!

DONNELLON: Gusto! Like, she wants to be eating it up on stage. She wants to be involved in everything. She’s learned so quickly and I can’t take all the credit on that. I definitely got her to a certain point, but she’s also worked with super established female choreographers as well—Charissa Kroeger, Danielle Polanco, Luam, who did the 2025 US/Australia tour. And I think having that time with them, they’ve given her this new confidence. 

SMART: It sounds like a really strong team.

DONNELLON: Yeah, it’s important to Pink that there are women across choreography. Charissa is amazing. We were able to riff off each other and find this newer thing for Coachella, which is a really big, super ambitious show.

SMART: It was so impressive, the number of elements, the storytelling. 

Simon Donnellon

DONNELLON: Totally. And it’s one of those shows that is a statement of intent because she straddles all these different things. She’s the pop girl, but she’s also making this quite alt music.

SMART: It’s also so British as well!

DONNELLON: A vast majority of the team working on the show are actually British. I think that’s been a big thing for finding the nuance and the comedy and all these bits that feel “Big Pop Show,” but also still feel very her. I think one of the other big tasks for this show was finding newness in the movement language. 

SMART: How do you approach that?

DONNELLON: For me, it’s looking at other artists that sit within the same world and what they are doing. Not to copy, but thinking about what it is they’re doing that is resonating. For example, everyone thinks of Gaga like, “Put your paws up.” But Gaga also sits in this ticking world; it’s her specific way of moving. The task for the show was trying to find something that feels very unique to PinkPantheress. What are the Pink-isms? 

SMART: And what would you say those are?

DONNELLON: Always that insane hair flip. She’s in the hips, and she’s really good at finding a mix of fluidity and staccato in the upper body. It’s finding those moments, but also what is the music saying? We still want it to feel a bit punk with a tiny injection of silliness and camp. So, it’s mixing all those things together. 

SMART: What’s been your favorite song of Pink’s to choreograph? 

DONNELLON: Ooh, I mean, I love “Tonight.” For me, it has a special place. It was the first track for her that we really choreographed. 

SMART: I remember that video dropping and everyone being like, “Oh, she’s really doing the thing.” Backing dancers, the whole nine yards. 

DONNELLON: Exactly! So seeing that, editing that into the [Coachella] show and making it bigger and more exciting, that’s been really amazing. And honestly, “Stateside.”

SMART: Oh, we’re getting to her! Tell me about your involvement with that particular song and your response to where it went. 

DONNELLON: My god, crazy. With Pink, the video scheduling is always really reactive. The energy is like, “Okay, the song’s doing well, the fans want something, let’s give their fans what they want.” I had heard someone whisper that they were thinking about a video with Zara, and I was like, “Oh my god.” Then [director] Charlotte Rutherford—who I’ve worked with a lot in tandem with PinkPantheress—called me and was like, “Okay, this is the concept.” It all came together really quickly. There was essentially one day between Pink and Zara’s schedules in which they could shoot it, and the shoot definitely felt really gag on the day. Two pop stars on the precipice of stardom. They’re both doing so unbelievably well. 

SMART: And on their own terms, as well.

DONNELLON: Absolutely, I think it was so intelligent to put both of their worlds in the video and smash them together. It was so indicative of the branding power of both campaigns. Then, to choreograph something that felt really fun and kitsch. The main reference was always “Fergalicious.” 

SMART: Oh my god, I said this. The second I saw it I was like, “This is Gen-Z ‘Fergalicious.’”

DONNELLON: Yes! Even down to how it was shot because a lot of the time things are shot on Steadicam, roaming around. But Charlotte was like, “No, I want straight-on choreo.” 

SMART: Old school. 

DONNELLON: Obviously the song was having a moment, but I don’t think anyone really expected how big it was going to go. 

SMART: How did you approach the choreo? 

DONNELLON: Sometimes Pink is a fun challenge. Often my contemporary [dance] background can be really useful to avoid it leaning too far into stereotypical pop. On Stateside, my associate choreographer, Angelica Wolańska, was super helpful. It’s really helpful to ideate with a female choreographer. The work feels more rounded. With the male dancers, we wanted to stay in this really masc place but, like, a bit camp.

SMART: Metrosexual!

DONNELLON: Yes! Charlotte sent me this reference from a Madness video where they’re walking in a particular way. At first I was like, “Whoa, that’s such an off-piste ref.” But then, in the context, those off-piste moments really work. And, obviously, all the boys falling and the room shaking when Zara hits her run—

SMART: That’s so good.  

DONNELLON: But Pink is really experienced with the music video thing now. She knows her angles. She can step on set and just own it. Also, her and Zara being together, they both lifted each other up so much. It was really nice to watch. Zara had toured the night before in Stockholm, flown in that morning. We’d sent her the choreo and we ran it through with her twice and she was like, “Got it.” Just real star energy. The whole thing was such a great experience. 

SMART: It’s heartening to hear that the mutual support is so strong and genuine. 

DONNELLON: Oh my god, totally. I think we’re in an era of female stars genuinely supporting each other.

SMART: I think another key thing is they’re being cute and sexy, but it’s not two women together who are just being sexual for the male gaze. It’s for the girls who want to get cute and look cute and hang out with their friends…And the gays, of course! 

DONNELLON: Very much so.

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SMART: What’s your favorite choreo moment from the video?

DONNELLON: I love the big tableau with Pink sitting on the guys’ shoulders and Zara laying on the floor. I was thinking about Renaissance paintings…and Gentleman Prefer Blondes!

SMART: Yes! Those moments are incredible. How did it feel to see Alyssa Liu perform parts of that choreography on the ice at the Winter Olympics?

DONNELLON: Crazy, crazy, crazy. To see something you’ve done, my little pop choreo, being performed on a stage like that even for a second…Working in this profession, you’re around a lot of famous people at work. There’s certain people that I’m starstruck by for sure, but I think with most people you have a level of professionalism, like, that’s just another person. But something about that moment was like, “Wow, okay. This is kind of crazy.” 

SMART: I feel like as a choreographer or a movement director, that must be the pinnacle.

DONNELLON: Oh, it’s gag

SMART: Where do you go from there? 

DONNELLON: I’m quite excited to get back to some fashion stuff, and then this year’s festival season. And then it’s thinking about other artists on my dream board…I would die to do Rosalía!  

 
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