Celine is one of the most beloved performers in the world. Having broken attendance records with her Vegas shows, she’s also created a wardrobe of successful fragrances over the past decade. She sat down with Dave in New York for a candid discussion about perfume, family and beauty.

Dave: What’s the best thing about being famous?

Celine: The best thing about being famous is I arrived last night in New York City and asked for eight tickets to Lion King tonight for my son to go and see the show and it was possible.

Dave: What’s the worst thing about being famous?

Celine: I asked for eight tickets to go see the Lion King and I can’t go because I’m busy (laughs), No, I don’t know. It depends how you see things, you know. It can be that everything I might say for the worst thing can be nothing for some people. For example, for many people to be a little a sick and to be home isn’t a big deal. But those people may not have a job that you have to use a vocal instrument. For me to get congested or feel sick is very dramatic. When my sinuses and my throat and my lungs are not well, it becomes dramatic. I wish I could become a guitar player. When my guitar strings are not there I can just change them.

I recently had a micro-plasma pneumonia and it is very hard to find. But it’s very easy to cure. As a singer you say you have bronchitis because it’s easier for people to understand. It’s not my style to cancel shows. It’s not fun to be sick, and it’s so hard to cancel a show. I still enjoy what I’m doing, and I know how much involvement it took for them to come. It’s a whole experience coming to one of my shows.

 

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Dave: What are your first memories of scent?

Celine: I remember buying for myself, Chanel No.5. Five has become over the years, and I don’t know why, my lucky number. And because it was perfume with the number five in it, Chanel No. 5, then it had to be my perfume. I was very interested, like everyone, in Marilyn Monroe. And I saw a picture once when I was a teenager of Marilyn Monroe in bed wearing Chanel No. 5 and I started practicing that every night. I was sitting in bed, spraying Chanel. And then when I started to have a crush and he was wearing Polo Ralph Lauren all of the time, I started spraying my pillow with it.

Dave: You’ve created many successful fragrances. What is it is about fragrance you find most interesting?

Celine: My dad has passed a number of years ago and it happens still today that I smell him. His smell: It comes out of nowhere so strongly. I don’t even know if it was the cologne of my dad but it his cologne or whatever he was wearing, his own smell mixed with that, his personality, it is very difficult to describe. Like the smell of child, it’s very hard to describe. My mom is also like that. She has her own smell: breath, saliva, sweat mixed with whatever perfume she wears. It is something very unique to her. I’m finding with time that, I wish to find my own signature scent. I know a few people who have been wearing the same perfume for years. You put their coat in the closet and their scarf smells of their scent, their coat smells of it. And if you go to their house, it smells of it. You think of them and you know how they smell. I find this so interesting. I wish one day I could find my own scent. Me, I’m still following fashion.

I think perfume is such a comfort zone. I love when my son comes home and he says, “Oh mom, I missed your smile and your smell.”

Dave: I read that you don’t wear fragrance when performing.

Celine: When I sing I don’t not wear perfume. For example, when the stage crew uses Purell and I put the microphone close to my nose, it’s too strong and I kind of gag. It does that to me. The alcohol comes out even if it’s very soft. They used to do these things to make me feel fancy – they’d clean the microphone in case there is lipstick or something on it, and they’ll clean it with a product that had like cinnamon in it or something and it was just too strong. Or, you know there are like 40 dancers on stage and they are all wearing their favourite smell, and I’ll be singing something like “Seduces Me.” I sit on a chair and they all come half-dressed near me, sweating, smelling their own thing, their own scent – it’s a great bouquet. But I just stand there and look and enjoy, but I can’t perform. It’s too overwhelming for my vocal chords. My nose inhales that strongly and then I can’t project

Dave: Is there a childlike appeal to beauty?

Celine: You know, my son was very interested in scent and beauty as a child. He would very often look in my drawer and smell things. I’m keeper and I try perfumes and beauty products. It’s fun, it’s fun! He’d go through my old makeup box and he’d say, “Can I paint your face mom?” The love for a mother for a child and a child for a mother is so amazing and so strong.

Dave: What do you treasure most?

Celine: My family, oh gosh, my mom. I can’t wait. We have a few celebrations for the holidays we always do a big party every year for my family. Believe it or not my mother, Therese, is cooking for all of us and we are almost 180. She wants to cook. And we have a golf course in Quebec. We have two 18-holes, so we are equipped with a room to fit everybody and we have a big kitchen in the back with a chef there during the year helps us, so my mom’s there and she helps them and she’ll say, “Ok, now it’s ready, don’t put that there, help me to do this.” She does half of it at her house before, so she’ll prepare the meat pies and put them in the freezer and all her sweet relish, like ketchup, homemade ketchup, she prepares it all in advance. And I told her, “You don’t’ you think this is a little much,” and she said, “No, this is my gift. And I want to do it. And we’re gonna have a holiday this year just the brothers and sisters, no companions, no children. Just the brothers and sisters at my mom’s place, and she’ll be cooking again, I guess. And we’ll have a gift-exchange between us.

Dave: It must be hard to be away from your family for so long when you tour.

Celine: I’m so used to it. I mean, I don’t want to be. And the hardest part is when I’m home and I don’t want to leave. But, my mom comes to visit quite a lot. And every time we go on vacation I bring her. So I don’t wait 3 months, or 6 months before seeing my mother. The rest of my family, some members work with me on tour so I see some of them, but of course I miss them. But, I started to travel and tour so young that I think I got used to that routine of seeing them every six months. So it became quite normal. And now every time I see them there is like three newborns. So we are 180 now, and we don’t invite like, friends of friends. It’s just brothers and sisters and children, I think we’re up to like 36 nieces and nephews now.

 

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Dave: Do you have your mother’s recipes?

Celine: We have plans for her to show me – I love to cook. I don’t get to do it, I mean, I don’t take the time because I don’t have the time, but it’s something that I do enjoy. I remember our first house in Florida, and I wasn’t very very busy and we moved it and I was doing it all, I was cleaning my house and I was cooking because I had time to do so and I so enjoyed every moment of it. In the morning leave the house like that, go play golf and then come in and figure out what we were going to have lunch and dinner and because I wasn’t used to that it became really relaxing to do so. Once it starts to become a routine, then it’s probably another deal. If you do too much of one thing it’s probably becomes a bore. For me to pack and to not be at home, it’s not that much fun.

Dave: Does the touring become for you?

Celine: Let’s say it becomes mental. I mean you have to physically and vocally concentrate, and discipline yourself. Once you do the same thing so much of the time it’s almost like you’re sitting in on it and someone else is doing it. You can’t just sit on adrenaline, you might be surprised that you forget your words and you forget a whole song. You have to be on the edge, sharp, all of the time. When I forget my words, I make them up and make them laugh and think, “Okay, here we go! 150,000 times later.”

Dave: What is your best beauty advice?

Celine: I want them to feel strong about themselves. A lot of people underestimate themselves. Not a lot of people say things like “Oh, you look good” or “thank you for helping me.” Every woman should feel she is important that she makes a difference and that she is loved. That’s success, you know, feeling good. And for those women that don’t get the chance to hear these things, I hope they find someone who they can relate to and feel strong. I want them to feel strong about who they are.

Unless you’ve been living in self-imposed social media exile for the past six months, there is a high probability you’ve witnessed the choreography of Simon Donnellon. Perhaps via the flirty, candy-hued video for PinkPantheress and Zara Larsson’s ultra-viral “Stateside (Remix),” or maybe in Alyssa Liu’s triumphant 2026 Winter Olympics performance set to the same song, which saw some of Donnellon’s catchiest moves repurposed for the ice. Over the past few years, the London-based choreographer and movement director has made a niche for himself, coaching a starry roster of alt-pop princesses to move unencumbered across stage, screen, and beyond. Speaking to his friend, writer and pop devotee Harald Smart, Donnellon shares his origin story and offers a window into the ‘Pop Girl Bootcamp’ that has helped more than one diva find her groove.

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HARALD SMART: Simon, hi!

SIMON DONNELLON: Harald, hi, how are you? 

SMART: I’m good! Excited to be talking to you. There’s so much to talk about. I wanted to ask how you got started in this field, your origin story.

DONNELLON: What’s pertinent to my job now is that I was a dancer, mostly with contemporary companies, and I graduated when it was kind of in vogue for contemporary dance to be across music projects. So I was doing music videos, dancing in them, and then I got the opportunity to choreograph one for Self Esteem. Then, I started moving a bit more into artist coaching. Back then, it wasn’t such a big thing. Now, I’d say 90% of the musicians you see performing live will have had some level of movement direction or performance coaching. 

SMART: So, what’s the distinction for you between movement direction and choreography? 

DONNELLON: With choreography, I’m creating movement steps that you will learn and repeat. Direction is much more about giving people stimuli and guiding them through stuff. That could be a character-based stimulus or asking, “What color is this song?” or “What does this song smell like?” So they can start to build a world around the song to inhabit, which would hopefully give them more room to play on stage. For me personally, my job is more about setting artists up with the tools to be able to play freely on stage with a level of comfortability.  

SMART: You worked with Romy [Madley Croft] in that capacity, right? How did that process start?

DONNELLON: Yes. Romy was super interesting because I’m a huge fan of The XX. So when that opportunity came up, I was freaking out. Her wife’s a really successful photographer and director. I’d been shooting with her and she was like, “Oh, my wife is a musician and she’s doing a solo project [2023’s Mid Air] for the first time.” 

SMART:  Did you know it was Romy at the time? 

DONNELLON: I didn’t know it was Romy.

SMART: That’s so funny. 

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DONNELLON: So, when we started working together, her refrain was, “I just want to feel more confident in moving on stage.” We would get in the dance studio and I’d set up a fake DJ deck with some ballet bars and a table top across them. At first, it was really about diving into rhythm and going back to basics. Giving Romy the tools to start to move a bit freer. I think with a lot of artists, it’s about giving them permission. Because Romy can move, but I think it was just trying to give her a new movement language to use. 

SMART: It must be amazing to watch over a period of time, watching someone blossom. 

DONNELLON: Totally. And I think some people would look at one of her shows and be like, “Oh, what is the movement direction there?” because she’s just moving freely. But actually, from where she began, now she’s running around the stage at Glastonbury. In the new XX show that just debuted at Coachella, she’s singing “Enjoy Your Life” out on the runway, which is something I think she didn’t think she was capable of. She’s always been capable of it! 

SMART: That’s quite beautiful. 

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DONNELLON: I think every person, no matter whether they’re a pop star or not, deserves the space to find what it is they do free from intense scrutiny. No one’s doing the best thing they’ve ever done straight out of the gate. I mean, some people I work with are pretty incredible straight out of the gate… PinkPantheress, for example. The music and the tone of what she’s making is so unique. 

SMART: 100%. So let’s get into that. Because I feel like every day I see a fan edit or a meme or something related to PinkPantheress and her stage presence transformation. What kind of phase she was in when you started working together and how has that relationship evolved?

DONNELLON: At the very beginning, before Fancy That, we did the videos for “Picture of My Mind” and “Capable of Love,” which were more narrative.

SMART: “Capable of Love” is incredible. 

DONNELLON: I remember when I first heard that song, I kind of couldn’t believe that she’d made something that epic.

SMART: Yeah, it’s like her version of a power ballad.

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DONNELLON: Literally. And so we’d started working together a little bit sporadically and we just got on really well. From that point on, each project had a larger choreography component, especially coming back for Fancy That. I think she’d had a bit of time off and she came back and the music was so good and she was like, “I’m ready to step into it. ” Also, she can groove. She’s got a great sense of rhythm. But I feel like at Glastonbury [2025], she switched something on on show day and we were all like, “Whoa.” That was a real moment of stepping into performance in a way that she hasn’t before. I think she’s come back to this new era and attacked it with such…

SMART: Gusto?

DONNELLON: I was trying to find a synonym for gusto!

SMART: Just say it!

DONNELLON: Gusto! Like, she wants to be eating it up on stage. She wants to be involved in everything. She’s learned so quickly and I can’t take all the credit on that. I definitely got her to a certain point, but she’s also worked with super established female choreographers as well—Charissa Kroeger, Danielle Polanco, Luam, who did the 2025 US/Australia tour. And I think having that time with them, they’ve given her this new confidence. 

SMART: It sounds like a really strong team.

DONNELLON: Yeah, it’s important to Pink that there are women across choreography. Charissa is amazing. We were able to riff off each other and find this newer thing for Coachella, which is a really big, super ambitious show.

SMART: It was so impressive, the number of elements, the storytelling. 

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DONNELLON: Totally. And it’s one of those shows that is a statement of intent because she straddles all these different things. She’s the pop girl, but she’s also making this quite alt music.

SMART: It’s also so British as well!

DONNELLON: A vast majority of the team working on the show are actually British. I think that’s been a big thing for finding the nuance and the comedy and all these bits that feel “Big Pop Show,” but also still feel very her. I think one of the other big tasks for this show was finding newness in the movement language. 

SMART: How do you approach that?

DONNELLON: For me, it’s looking at other artists that sit within the same world and what they are doing. Not to copy, but thinking about what it is they’re doing that is resonating. For example, everyone thinks of Gaga like, “Put your paws up.” But Gaga also sits in this ticking world; it’s her specific way of moving. The task for the show was trying to find something that feels very unique to PinkPantheress. What are the Pink-isms? 

SMART: And what would you say those are?

DONNELLON: Always that insane hair flip. She’s in the hips, and she’s really good at finding a mix of fluidity and staccato in the upper body. It’s finding those moments, but also what is the music saying? We still want it to feel a bit punk with a tiny injection of silliness and camp. So, it’s mixing all those things together. 

SMART: What’s been your favorite song of Pink’s to choreograph? 

DONNELLON: Ooh, I mean, I love “Tonight.” For me, it has a special place. It was the first track for her that we really choreographed. 

SMART: I remember that video dropping and everyone being like, “Oh, she’s really doing the thing.” Backing dancers, the whole nine yards. 

DONNELLON: Exactly! So seeing that, editing that into the [Coachella] show and making it bigger and more exciting, that’s been really amazing. And honestly, “Stateside.”

SMART: Oh, we’re getting to her! Tell me about your involvement with that particular song and your response to where it went. 

DONNELLON: My god, crazy. With Pink, the video scheduling is always really reactive. The energy is like, “Okay, the song’s doing well, the fans want something, let’s give their fans what they want.” I had heard someone whisper that they were thinking about a video with Zara, and I was like, “Oh my god.” Then [director] Charlotte Rutherford—who I’ve worked with a lot in tandem with PinkPantheress—called me and was like, “Okay, this is the concept.” It all came together really quickly. There was essentially one day between Pink and Zara’s schedules in which they could shoot it, and the shoot definitely felt really gag on the day. Two pop stars on the precipice of stardom. They’re both doing so unbelievably well. 

SMART: And on their own terms, as well.

DONNELLON: Absolutely, I think it was so intelligent to put both of their worlds in the video and smash them together. It was so indicative of the branding power of both campaigns. Then, to choreograph something that felt really fun and kitsch. The main reference was always “Fergalicious.” 

SMART: Oh my god, I said this. The second I saw it I was like, “This is Gen-Z ‘Fergalicious.’”

DONNELLON: Yes! Even down to how it was shot because a lot of the time things are shot on Steadicam, roaming around. But Charlotte was like, “No, I want straight-on choreo.” 

SMART: Old school. 

DONNELLON: Obviously the song was having a moment, but I don’t think anyone really expected how big it was going to go. 

SMART: How did you approach the choreo? 

DONNELLON: Sometimes Pink is a fun challenge. Often my contemporary [dance] background can be really useful to avoid it leaning too far into stereotypical pop. On Stateside, my associate choreographer, Angelica Wolańska, was super helpful. It’s really helpful to ideate with a female choreographer. The work feels more rounded. With the male dancers, we wanted to stay in this really masc place but, like, a bit camp.

SMART: Metrosexual!

DONNELLON: Yes! Charlotte sent me this reference from a Madness video where they’re walking in a particular way. At first I was like, “Whoa, that’s such an off-piste ref.” But then, in the context, those off-piste moments really work. And, obviously, all the boys falling and the room shaking when Zara hits her run—

SMART: That’s so good.  

DONNELLON: But Pink is really experienced with the music video thing now. She knows her angles. She can step on set and just own it. Also, her and Zara being together, they both lifted each other up so much. It was really nice to watch. Zara had toured the night before in Stockholm, flown in that morning. We’d sent her the choreo and we ran it through with her twice and she was like, “Got it.” Just real star energy. The whole thing was such a great experience. 

SMART: It’s heartening to hear that the mutual support is so strong and genuine. 

DONNELLON: Oh my god, totally. I think we’re in an era of female stars genuinely supporting each other.

SMART: I think another key thing is they’re being cute and sexy, but it’s not two women together who are just being sexual for the male gaze. It’s for the girls who want to get cute and look cute and hang out with their friends…And the gays, of course! 

DONNELLON: Very much so.

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SMART: What’s your favorite choreo moment from the video?

DONNELLON: I love the big tableau with Pink sitting on the guys’ shoulders and Zara laying on the floor. I was thinking about Renaissance paintings…and Gentleman Prefer Blondes!

SMART: Yes! Those moments are incredible. How did it feel to see Alyssa Liu perform parts of that choreography on the ice at the Winter Olympics?

DONNELLON: Crazy, crazy, crazy. To see something you’ve done, my little pop choreo, being performed on a stage like that even for a second…Working in this profession, you’re around a lot of famous people at work. There’s certain people that I’m starstruck by for sure, but I think with most people you have a level of professionalism, like, that’s just another person. But something about that moment was like, “Wow, okay. This is kind of crazy.” 

SMART: I feel like as a choreographer or a movement director, that must be the pinnacle.

DONNELLON: Oh, it’s gag

SMART: Where do you go from there? 

DONNELLON: I’m quite excited to get back to some fashion stuff, and then this year’s festival season. And then it’s thinking about other artists on my dream board…I would die to do Rosalía!  

 
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